The supplier doesn't matter very much when the battery is "babied" like it will be in an Aptera:
- Very mild current (low power to move its low drag & weight)
- Very mild heat (due to low current)
- Very mild % discharge (lowest-range model goes over 625% of the average drive)
- Very mild SOC:
Even if State Of Charge isn't software-limited to stay well away from 0% & 100%, users can select an extremely mild 70% max charge & a daily drive will only drop it to 54% on the LOWEST range model.
It would not surprise me in the least that one of the items that Tesla is discussing with Aptera in a potential tech sharing agreement is access to the BMS that was developed at Flux Power.
@n.bruce.nelson That's a surprise to ME! I had read that Tesla's BMS was one of the best, if not THE best. If Aptera's is even better, that's great, since then the battery itself & its cooling method matter even less.
Also great since it would appear the only thing Aptera might want from Tesla in return is their connection & Superchargers. 😁 Oh! Maybe their seats & autopilot. Oh, crap! Maybe their batteries, since people seem to think they're so great but really mostly just being saved by their BMS.
It matters to me, do they pay their employees a fair wage, are their raw materials ethically sourced. what are their politics? It matters. All of this matters.
I don' think Flux manufactures the cells, only the battery packs and BMS. Aptera will work with the best companies that they are able to form partnership agreements with.
they've shown a tesla charging port and have shown tesla super chargers in some of their renderings. It is clear to me that aptera is negotiating with tesla on some kind of deal. It would be a huge win if they can supply a battery deal with tesla.
Since Chris was the co-founder and CEO of Flux for a long time, and may still be on their board, it is not difficult to imagine that he might be able to get an agreement with Flux Power for access to some of their technology.
Even Flux has to get the cells from somewhere. Telsa builds some of their own, while also buying from other suppliers. Aptera does not need massive amounts, so Tesla may be willing to work with them, especially in a package with other items, such as self driving and charging network - in exchange for cooling technology, BMS and mounting solar cells, all of which Aptera has their own IP over.
The supplier doesn't matter very much when the battery is "babied" like it will be in an Aptera:
- Very mild current (low power to move its low drag & weight)
- Very mild heat (due to low current)
- Very mild % discharge (lowest-range model goes over 625% of the average drive)
- Very mild SOC:
Even if State Of Charge isn't software-limited to stay well away from 0% & 100%, users can select an extremely mild 70% max charge & a daily drive will only drop it to 54% on the LOWEST range model.
It would not surprise me in the least that one of the items that Tesla is discussing with Aptera in a potential tech sharing agreement is access to the BMS that was developed at Flux Power.
@n.bruce.nelson That's a surprise to ME! I had read that Tesla's BMS was one of the best, if not THE best. If Aptera's is even better, that's great, since then the battery itself & its cooling method matter even less.
Also great since it would appear the only thing Aptera might want from Tesla in return is their connection & Superchargers. 😁 Oh! Maybe their seats & autopilot. Oh, crap! Maybe their batteries, since people seem to think they're so great but really mostly just being saved by their BMS.
It matters to me, do they pay their employees a fair wage, are their raw materials ethically sourced. what are their politics? It matters. All of this matters.
Flux design maybe, but I think Tesla has EVERYONE beat with economy-of-scale battery manufacture.
I don' think Flux manufactures the cells, only the battery packs and BMS. Aptera will work with the best companies that they are able to form partnership agreements with.
@n.bruce.nelson morning all, considering most companies buy in their cells.
would it not be better for us to have flux design, build the pack with bms combined.
we don't need Tesla then
Aptera has not yet announced the supplier yet. They are still under NDAs.
any speculation who it is?
they've shown a tesla charging port and have shown tesla super chargers in some of their renderings. It is clear to me that aptera is negotiating with tesla on some kind of deal. It would be a huge win if they can supply a battery deal with tesla.
@Riley considering the founders, I would think flux power would be the supplier
if the flux BMS is so efficient, wouldn't flux be able to design and manufacture the battery needed for aptera?
They are different kinds of technology. Flux assembles battery packs and does the BMS, but I think they get their cells from other sources.
I would imagine flux could manufacture it cheaper.
also, how could aptera share the BMS when its owned by flux?
Since Chris was the co-founder and CEO of Flux for a long time, and may still be on their board, it is not difficult to imagine that he might be able to get an agreement with Flux Power for access to some of their technology.
almost all companies buy in the cells needed,
why would flux not design, build the pack with BMS all connected.
why would we need to go with Tesla?
Even Flux has to get the cells from somewhere. Telsa builds some of their own, while also buying from other suppliers. Aptera does not need massive amounts, so Tesla may be willing to work with them, especially in a package with other items, such as self driving and charging network - in exchange for cooling technology, BMS and mounting solar cells, all of which Aptera has their own IP over.