This is only my early observation on this matter( just as a forum blog member).
🤔The blog has a lot of speculation, until the latest revalidated vehicles come in 2020.
However... it seems” as tested systems and components are confirmed for the planned vehicles....they are posting those details in the blog and also on the website. E.g. Announcements on cargo, electric motors, No charge etc....
I have found that good meaningful answers have already been posted, by Aptera here:
Under the INVEST Tab, which brings you to Wefunder
Under “Ask a Question”
All of which I wish I read before some forum posts.
The forum SEARCH engine appears to be useful to find information only in the forum. While the above Wefund SEARCH engine is not so helpful and does not cross over the the forum’s entries😞
In the forum, many of us old followers, also may be recalling the details on the old 2009 Aptera 2e or the 2h as that is what “we had” to reflect. Those where all working vehicles with many roadshows “under their belt” but...all those are gone and APTERA RETURNS with what seems to be an impressive planned new model
I have a controversial point of view about Aptera that I want to give my two cents here. All comments are welcome. First off, I am a huge fan of Aptera Motors Corp. and Chris Anthony! If Chris and Steve were not kick out of Aptera Motors Inc. by their investors (IdeaLab) chasing a quick buck years ago, I strongly believe that Aptera Motors today could have been as big as Tesla Inc.! Chris is one of the nicest people that I have gotten to talk to. He takes his time to answer all my questions about Aptera so that I am not in the dark anymore. Chris is one of the smartest people that I know of. I would consider Chris to be on the same intelligence level as Elon Musk in the EV Industry minus the deep pockets of Elon Musk. With that being said, I do not really think it is a good idea for Aptera Motors Corp. to be taking VC Money at this time. I say this because it is so easy for a VC Firm to be much more interested in making a quick buck off of a good idea instead of helping it to reach its full potential. Once a business takes VC Funding, the company founders are now just employees of that VC Firm. At the end of the day, what that VC Firm says matters a lot more than what the founders think because the VC Firm is now the owner of the company and not the company founders anymore. All it takes is just one disagreement with a VC Firm on a business issue, then Chris and Steve are kicked back to the curb again just to see Aptera Motors Corp. ran straight back into the ground once again! I do not want to see a Repeat of Aptera Team B lead by Paul Wilbur happen ever again! There are tons of people (myself included) that are huge fans of Aptera! Most of us here are not rich at all. We are mostly Middle Class Folk. For example, I am currently a 3rd Shift Grocery Stocker at my Local Grocery Store. Unfortunately, I am NOT in a financial position to invest a Few Million Dollars (USD) in Aptera Motors Corp. to help them reach their goals. However, I did invested $100 (USD) in Aptera Motors Corp. already. I might invest some more money later on. Over $400,000 (USD) has already been invested in Aptera Motors Corp. by people just like you and me online. Here is my idea. Aptera Motors Corp. sets up and runs a few different pages on the Aptera Website where VCs, Suppliers, Press, Customers, Job Seekers and Etc. can sign up their interest in doing business with Aptera Motors Corp. down the road. So Aptera Motors Corp. will have access to those resources if they need help to get bail out of a situation that Chris and Steve cannot handle on their own. I am just a regular Middle Class Person. I just need a vehicle to get me around town (Job, Store, Church, Park and Etc.) It does not need to be fancy at all! It just has to be affordable, easily fixable and easy to operate thou. Chris and Steve should try anything and everything (legal and moral of course) to help reduce Aptera's Burn Rate of Cash as much as possible. I am talking about running a shoestring business here for the foreseeable future. So that $400,000 (USD) they have raised online can last Aptera Motors Corp. two to three years at least. Aptera Motors Corp. could design and build its first EV to be an All Electric Aptera MK-O as a kit car. Let's say the first Aptera Customers have to put down 100% down payment to buy an All Electric Aptera MK-O. Then customers with a smaller down payments would then be able to purchase an Electric Aptera MK-O at a later date. Once a Customer has put down his/her down payment in the Aptera Escrow Bank Account online, his/her name would be put onto a waiting list. When their name comes up on the waiting list, he/she would get an email and a phone call from Aptera Motors Corp. helping him/her set up his/her trip to San Diego, CA. for a week or two. For that week, that customer would get hands on help from Chris, Steve and the rest of the team there to basically build their All Electric Aptera MK-O from scratch. Then that customer could drive around Southern California for a few days. Aptera Motors Corp. would then help that customer to pack up and ship their hand made All Electric Aptera MK-O back home by Semi or Train or Cargo Ship. (BMW already offers a Factory Tour plus delivery help for its customers on vacation in Europe.) Aptera Motors Corp. could be established in a small garage/office building in a office park somewhere in SoCal to help keep costs as low as possible as they did beforehand back in 2006. Once enough profits have been raised thru All Electric Aptera MK-O Sales, Aptera Motors Corp. pays off every single investor and creditor as soon as possible. Aptera Motors Corp. gives an extra 30% Interest to help make its investors and creditors happy. I am not going to lie. It will take at least a few years (Maybe 5 years to 10 years) to be able to earn enough profits ($50 Million - $100 Million Dollars) to basically self fund the design, production and servicing of the Aptera 2e Production Model. It might seem that I am trying to slow things down quite a bit for Aptera Motors Corp. I can even heard a ton of people here saying that Aptera Motors Corp. needs to go big quickly to be able to have a chance to compete with all the EVs that will soon be coming to market. Aptera's Team B CEO Paul Wilbur already tried that and see what happen to Aptera Motors Inc. already. I do not believe in living in the past at all. We need to live our lives here in the present. However, we should try to learn from our mistakes or we are bound to repeat them. Steve Fambro's Flickr Account https://www.flickr.com/photos/24602659@N04/albums Sorry for the long read folks. I have been thinking about this Aptera Issue for over Ten years now. I hope you all have a great day! Thanks again! Nathan.
I agree that VC money too many times translates into Vulture Capital. This community of believers might help avoid that path. However, bootstrapping EV production on a minimum budget is probably not viable. Too many up front expenses (see below).
However, you go on to suggest...
"Aptera Motors Corp. sets up and runs a few different pages on the Aptera Website where VCs, Suppliers, Press, Customers, Job Seekers and Etc. can sign up their interest in doing business with Aptera Motors Corp. down the road."
This is a great idea, and it definitely works under certain circumstances (which we can get into later.) As Chris and myself have proven, suppliers can be a major resource for help in both design and gaining credibility.
To put time and effort where my mouth is... and to kick off the implementation of your idea, my company is willing to help Aptera explore printing production-ready, 3D printed suspension components in metal. This would replace the need for the up front expense and time to get casting molds while likely reducing both weight and cost of the parts. Just contact me at Plus-Mfg.com
@Kerbe #12705 Thanks for the advise. I am thinking that Aptera are probably swamped with emails. Therefore, I will try to find out which supplier is going to be providing their metal components and work with them so Chris and his crew can concentrate on other things.
Providing a picture of what I suspect is a front A-arm below to support the notion that this should be a 3D printed part.
Hi,
This is only my early observation on this matter( just as a forum blog member).
🤔The blog has a lot of speculation, until the latest revalidated vehicles come in 2020.
However... it seems” as tested systems and components are confirmed for the planned vehicles....they are posting those details in the blog and also on the website. E.g. Announcements on cargo, electric motors, No charge etc....
I have found that good meaningful answers have already been posted, by Aptera here:
Under the INVEST Tab, which brings you to Wefunder
Under “Ask a Question”
All of which I wish I read before some forum posts.
The forum SEARCH engine appears to be useful to find information only in the forum. While the above Wefund SEARCH engine is not so helpful and does not cross over the the forum’s entries😞
In the forum, many of us old followers, also may be recalling the details on the old 2009 Aptera 2e or the 2h as that is what “we had” to reflect. Those where all working vehicles with many roadshows “under their belt” but...all those are gone and APTERA RETURNS with what seems to be an impressive planned new model
I hope this helps
I have a controversial point of view about Aptera that I want to give my two cents here. All comments are welcome. First off, I am a huge fan of Aptera Motors Corp. and Chris Anthony! If Chris and Steve were not kick out of Aptera Motors Inc. by their investors (IdeaLab) chasing a quick buck years ago, I strongly believe that Aptera Motors today could have been as big as Tesla Inc.! Chris is one of the nicest people that I have gotten to talk to. He takes his time to answer all my questions about Aptera so that I am not in the dark anymore. Chris is one of the smartest people that I know of. I would consider Chris to be on the same intelligence level as Elon Musk in the EV Industry minus the deep pockets of Elon Musk. With that being said, I do not really think it is a good idea for Aptera Motors Corp. to be taking VC Money at this time. I say this because it is so easy for a VC Firm to be much more interested in making a quick buck off of a good idea instead of helping it to reach its full potential. Once a business takes VC Funding, the company founders are now just employees of that VC Firm. At the end of the day, what that VC Firm says matters a lot more than what the founders think because the VC Firm is now the owner of the company and not the company founders anymore. All it takes is just one disagreement with a VC Firm on a business issue, then Chris and Steve are kicked back to the curb again just to see Aptera Motors Corp. ran straight back into the ground once again! I do not want to see a Repeat of Aptera Team B lead by Paul Wilbur happen ever again! There are tons of people (myself included) that are huge fans of Aptera! Most of us here are not rich at all. We are mostly Middle Class Folk. For example, I am currently a 3rd Shift Grocery Stocker at my Local Grocery Store. Unfortunately, I am NOT in a financial position to invest a Few Million Dollars (USD) in Aptera Motors Corp. to help them reach their goals. However, I did invested $100 (USD) in Aptera Motors Corp. already. I might invest some more money later on. Over $400,000 (USD) has already been invested in Aptera Motors Corp. by people just like you and me online. Here is my idea. Aptera Motors Corp. sets up and runs a few different pages on the Aptera Website where VCs, Suppliers, Press, Customers, Job Seekers and Etc. can sign up their interest in doing business with Aptera Motors Corp. down the road. So Aptera Motors Corp. will have access to those resources if they need help to get bail out of a situation that Chris and Steve cannot handle on their own. I am just a regular Middle Class Person. I just need a vehicle to get me around town (Job, Store, Church, Park and Etc.) It does not need to be fancy at all! It just has to be affordable, easily fixable and easy to operate thou. Chris and Steve should try anything and everything (legal and moral of course) to help reduce Aptera's Burn Rate of Cash as much as possible. I am talking about running a shoestring business here for the foreseeable future. So that $400,000 (USD) they have raised online can last Aptera Motors Corp. two to three years at least. Aptera Motors Corp. could design and build its first EV to be an All Electric Aptera MK-O as a kit car. Let's say the first Aptera Customers have to put down 100% down payment to buy an All Electric Aptera MK-O. Then customers with a smaller down payments would then be able to purchase an Electric Aptera MK-O at a later date. Once a Customer has put down his/her down payment in the Aptera Escrow Bank Account online, his/her name would be put onto a waiting list. When their name comes up on the waiting list, he/she would get an email and a phone call from Aptera Motors Corp. helping him/her set up his/her trip to San Diego, CA. for a week or two. For that week, that customer would get hands on help from Chris, Steve and the rest of the team there to basically build their All Electric Aptera MK-O from scratch. Then that customer could drive around Southern California for a few days. Aptera Motors Corp. would then help that customer to pack up and ship their hand made All Electric Aptera MK-O back home by Semi or Train or Cargo Ship. (BMW already offers a Factory Tour plus delivery help for its customers on vacation in Europe.) Aptera Motors Corp. could be established in a small garage/office building in a office park somewhere in SoCal to help keep costs as low as possible as they did beforehand back in 2006. Once enough profits have been raised thru All Electric Aptera MK-O Sales, Aptera Motors Corp. pays off every single investor and creditor as soon as possible. Aptera Motors Corp. gives an extra 30% Interest to help make its investors and creditors happy. I am not going to lie. It will take at least a few years (Maybe 5 years to 10 years) to be able to earn enough profits ($50 Million - $100 Million Dollars) to basically self fund the design, production and servicing of the Aptera 2e Production Model. It might seem that I am trying to slow things down quite a bit for Aptera Motors Corp. I can even heard a ton of people here saying that Aptera Motors Corp. needs to go big quickly to be able to have a chance to compete with all the EVs that will soon be coming to market. Aptera's Team B CEO Paul Wilbur already tried that and see what happen to Aptera Motors Inc. already. I do not believe in living in the past at all. We need to live our lives here in the present. However, we should try to learn from our mistakes or we are bound to repeat them. Steve Fambro's Flickr Account https://www.flickr.com/photos/24602659@N04/albums Sorry for the long read folks. I have been thinking about this Aptera Issue for over Ten years now. I hope you all have a great day! Thanks again! Nathan.
Hey, Nate:
Thanks for sharing.
I agree that VC money too many times translates into Vulture Capital. This community of believers might help avoid that path. However, bootstrapping EV production on a minimum budget is probably not viable. Too many up front expenses (see below).
However, you go on to suggest...
"Aptera Motors Corp. sets up and runs a few different pages on the Aptera Website where VCs, Suppliers, Press, Customers, Job Seekers and Etc. can sign up their interest in doing business with Aptera Motors Corp. down the road."
This is a great idea, and it definitely works under certain circumstances (which we can get into later.) As Chris and myself have proven, suppliers can be a major resource for help in both design and gaining credibility.
To put time and effort where my mouth is... and to kick off the implementation of your idea, my company is willing to help Aptera explore printing production-ready, 3D printed suspension components in metal. This would replace the need for the up front expense and time to get casting molds while likely reducing both weight and cost of the parts. Just contact me at Plus-Mfg.com
@Tom Kruer Perhaps an email to aptera.us would be more likely to reach them?
@Kerbe #12705 Thanks for the advise. I am thinking that Aptera are probably swamped with emails. Therefore, I will try to find out which supplier is going to be providing their metal components and work with them so Chris and his crew can concentrate on other things.
Providing a picture of what I suspect is a front A-arm below to support the notion that this should be a 3D printed part.