I had a look at the website of #Elaphe today and I must say I am impressed! They will provide #Aptera with a total turn-key solution wrt to wheel motors, the controls and instrumentation requirements.
What was an eye-opener is that this company would actually be able to provide a complete solution to convert a normal car into an EV as their in-wheel hub motors will fit into the cavity of a normal size tyre rim on the inside. You can then throw out the gearbox engine and most of the drive mechanisms and have a high performance EV!
Brilliant work #APTERA for finding these guys!
EDIT: Only found this other post on the forum on the same subject:
https://www.aptera.us/forum/aptera-tech-questions/wheel-motors
Contains videos and lots more comments.
I think the #APTERA claim of 3.5 seconds is too modest. #Elaphe achieved 3.5 seconds with a standard metal bodied truck they converted into an EV using their own motors and control electronics, #APTERA weight and slim earo-dynamic design should take off like a rocket!
@barry.hendriks Thanks for the advice, I will correct the acceleration. However, I have my doubts, that without further aerodynamic aids, the Aptera will take off ...
And the winner ist ....
@loswa :) No I did not mean lift-off ... It will really push you back into the seat :) I presume with larger diameter tyres - given the max revs as the limiting factor - 19 inch tyres would push the #APTERA past 200 Km/H !!!
Very interesting. I am guessing that the Aptera will be using the liquid cooled S400. We have been using in wheel motor designs like this on motorcycles for years, but none had integrated the brake into the system. Thanks for sharing.
The motors are only one part of the solution - to control the beast you also need the instrumentation and controls. Can be found here:
http://in-wheel.com/en/solutions-2/powertrain-electronics/
This Aptera Instagram photo indicates they are using the Elaphe M700 hub motor.
Aptera on Instagram: “Parts are filling the shelves! Thanks, Elaphe!”
boxster1971 I think you are correct! My logic tells me #APTERA is using the 300V motor with 1500 rpm to achieve the more than 100 mph top speed.
Why do I think the Elaphe M700 hub motor and not the S400?
The S400 max revs = 750rpm - The M700 max revs = 1500rpm.
If you measure a wheel rim with a tyre from the centre (at the axle) to the outside circumference of the tyre you get the radius of the wheel. Now do simple calculation the find the circumference of the wheel. Let us say this is 300mm or 0.3 meter - the formula is 2 x phi x radius = 2 x 3.14 x 0.3 = 1.88 meter.
Thus S400 hub rpm x circumference = 750 x 1.88 = 1.414 Km per minute. Thus clock speed as measure inside the vehicle = 1.414 Km x 60 minutes = 84.857 Km/h. For the M700 this would be double @ 1500rpm = 169.714 Km/h (160Km/h = 100mph)
If this is the case then a normal single battery is approx 1.5V - #APTERA will need 200 batteries to do a single layer 300V power supply. To achieve their 1000 mile range #APTERA would need more than one layer. The alternative would be to use a 12V or 24V inverter to convert to 110V / 220V AC and once again via a diode bridge convert the mains voltage back to DC voltage (110VAC x 1.414 = 155VDC or 220VAC x 1.414 = 311VDC)
If each hub motor draws 10A current then 300V x 20A = 6KW. A 100Ah battery would then last approx 5 hours - 5 hours @ 90Km/h (60% of 160Km/h) = approx 450Km. This implies that they would need at least 200Ah battery capacity or maybe even 220Ah battery capacity.
Maybe somebody that knows the true specs could correct my statement here :)
Off-the-shelve components as the battery solution - #APTERA should also look at existing off-the-shelve components for their battery solution like what can be bought here in South Africa: (This 48V 4.8KW unit sells for R 25 995 (@USA $1 = R15 then this would cost $ 1 733)
If 300V is required then you would need at least 6 of these units.
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barry.hendriks wrote "convert a normal car into an EV ... You can then throw out the gearbox engine and most of the drive mechanisms"
My thoughts exactly! Throw out the differential, half-shafts/CV-joints, & of course the gas tank. Just add batteries & hook up the motors to the cooling system. Individual-wheel traction-control acts like a limited-slip diff, & AWD is easily attained.
Just like Aptera did!