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I was ready to order Aptera on line until I realized how wide the vehicle is
with the extensions of front tires & fenders. I am used to park in a compact car parking space with Honda 2 seaters. Aptera takes up more space than a compact
car does. I am concerned that other vehicles will bump into Aptera's front tires and fenders accidently. Could Aptera modify the design to reduce the front
width of the vehicle?
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I read the tweet, but I don't think it is ONLY a regulation problem. Even if they can make it with regulations, it is still too wide! They need to redesign it smaller.
Probably. I think many people already made Aptera aware of it. I hope Aptera's homologation expert is working overtime on this.
Oh, Thank you for the tip! I did not know about the thread until I read your feedback.
I wonder how the approval is to be made. According to the StVZO, only 2 m is permissible for three-wheeled vehicles.
Road Traffic Licensing Regulations (StVZO)
III. construction and operating regulations
§32 Dimensions of vehicles and vehicle combinations
(9) notwithstanding paragraphs (1) to (8), motor vehicles as defined in § 30a (3) shall not exceed the following dimensions:
For motorcycles and three-wheeled and four-wheeled motor vehicles ... 2,00 m,
for two-wheeled mopeds and bicycles with auxiliary motor ... 1,00 m,
height ... 2,50 m,
length ... 4,00 m.
One solution could be to integrate the front wheels into the bodywork (Annex)
That's just some sort of licensing category isn't it? The maximum width for a car is 2.6m. Lots of cars already exceed 2m - such as large SUVs.
Thats an issue. The 2m limit is to be able to register the vehicle in the three wheels L5e class. Otherwise it's considered as a car and it has to pass crash test and many more requirements that the Aptera was not designed for.
As far as I know they are building this to pass all crash tests for a normal car.
The answer to the 2 meter question ...
That's a real car... It has to comply with safety rules...
Maybe with simple mud guards and rims with a different offset, ou could go under 2m wide. But for the length, they will have to shorten the body.
Classification as L5e is not the solution to 2.24 m problem:
Class Name of the class Common classification criteria L1e-L7e.
All vehicles of class L:
(1) Length ≤ 4 000 mm, or ≤ 3 000 mm for an L6e-B vehicle, or ≤ 3 700 mm for an L7e-C vehicle; and
(2) Width ≤ 2 000 mm, or ≤ 1 000 mm for an L1e vehicle, or ≤ 1 500 mm for an L6e-B or an L7e-C vehicle; and
(3) Height ≤ 2 500 mm
There are five different threads about this problem. Is it possible to put it together?
For myself I decited to let Aptera find a solution for the "european problem ". They have specialists who will find a solution.
There is unfortunately no way yet to moderate the forum in this way. Later there will be more tools to get this done.
https://www.aptera.us/forum/aptera-design-discussion/owners-manual-guide-folder-in-screen-adding-more-fun-sell-ability-some-efficiency-improvements the last part at the end is a idea for a more compact way to potentially keep aptera aerodynamic efficiency in a more compact package
Hello Matthijs, do you know smart-for-three from the Netherlands.
Everything is connected. Every decision is some sourt of compromise. If Aptera would use Lifepo cells like Tesla model 3 in China, it could be possible to put batteries in the front of the car. If batteries have safe chemistry they may not start fire even if they got crashed. More weight on the front wheels make vehicle more stable and you could make it more narrow. Narrow vehicle could fit european regulations and narrow streets.
Well, to make sure that the Aptera is narrow enough to fit down city streets, they can always redesign with front/back seating like the Elio while still using the Aptera’s aero body. Yes, the car would be longer and storage space reduced... always those comprise. 😖
There is an obvious solution. Just making the wheel fairings on left and right quickly and easily removable for narrow towns etc where the current wheel width is excessive in small villages, then put them back on for long journeys where the aerodynamics matter more. Using simple mudguards would also be acceptable. perhaps this can be an option when buying the vechicle knowing that there will be some undesirable aerodynamic consequences
https://www.aptera.us/forum/main/comment/5fffd3815d72e9008cb8fef2 suspension that coudl help allow narrower car