As you may be aware, 134a, which is a commonly used ozone friendly automotive refrigerant, still has 1700 times the GWP of CO2. Propane is a suitable non-global warming refrigerant. I submitted the very first proposal for a NGWP refrigeration system under the EPA SNAP program almost two decades ago, and there is now an international standard based on this. Tecumseh makes DC compressors under the Masterflux brand name, and which have been widely used in military applications. I hope that the A/C system that is chosen does not add to man made global warming, which, after all, is a primary reason for the designs' existence.
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Interesting. I'm no refrigerant expert so I googled 134a and propane as GHG and learned at an EPA site that 134a since 2012 is no longer allowed in new car designs, so that's not going to happen here. (https://www.epa.gov/mvac/refrigerant-transition-environmental-impacts)
I'll let others debate the alternative refrigerants. I did find articles promoting propane (R-290) as a mobile refrigerant. This one fact sheet about R290 has a list of the pros & cons: https://refrigeranthq.com/r-290-propane-refrigerant-info-fact-sheet/
The main pro is that it is environmentally friendly as you wrote. However, the main con is that propane is obviously flammable. That 2019 fact sheet did not list mobile AC's as an approved application for this refrigerant. Has the EPA or other government organization changed that?
It has been a while since I was working in this field. There was a legal challenge years ago, where a company was suing a mobile propane refrigerant supplier, and as part of the suit fact finding, used a solenoid powered knife to release the entire refrigerant charge at once into a spark igniter.
The defendant hired the same consultant to duplicate the test with a 134a charge (134a is not in and of itself flammable) but got the same result caused by the oil circulating with the refrigerant.
My system used so little propane that there would not be a large release of energy even if the entire charge could be burned, which was very unlikely because of design safety backstops. If you were to consult https://masterflux.com/, they could make a recommendation based on state of the art. They have off the shelf DC compressors that run from 12 to 420 volts dc. They could also likely help with regulatory approvals.
@n.bruce.nelson With that design using a DC powered compressor, is it readily reversible to enable heating as well as cooling, or does the lubricant management get in the way of that?
The original compressors I was working with were the Sierra designs. I believe that if the flow system were designed correctly, that they could be used. I have a friend who is still actively working in the field and could put a bug in his ear. hmmmm. Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_g4nT4a28U maybe this, not sure
We are on the list ($100) of prospective buyers. But since we live in Florida, a car without real AC is a no-go. Hope they come with some solution.
We are on the list ($100) of prospective buyers. But since we live in Florida, a car without real AC is a no-go. Hope they come with some solution.
You know the Aptera does have real A/C as well as heat, right? It's right in the FAQ tab above (under Performance). It's designed to keep you cool in up to 125F weather.
@Harry Parker Thank you Harry. That makes me feel better. wish there was more detail.
@Bulent A There's a bit currently on line 486* of Aptera's FAQ Spreadsheet, where you can use Ctrl+F to "Find" things (on Mac it's cmd+F)
*numbers change when they delete lines above.