The first generation of Tesla Destination Charger could be switched from Tesla only to Type1/2 protocol (1kHz square-wave with duty cycle controlling the max. charge current). This was done with DIP Switch 2 moved to Legacy Mode. All other generations had that feature removed. But some new EVs like the Mercedes EQC or late BMW i3 seems to be able to charge on Destination Chargers as well, which means they have 'hacked' the Tesla Protocol (CAN or LIN bus based). It would be good if Aptera could do the same as with its enormous range charging overnight would be the most common way to top up.
I thought all destination chargers, which is level two can work with any EVs the proper j1772 adapter. There is no VIN number check with destination chargers I thought.
Incorrect, the connector looks like Type 1 (in the US) or Type 2 (rest of the world) but the protocol used is not Type 2.
Are the Tesla destination chargers and Tesla high power wall connector the same thing?
@Daniel Watkins I believe so.
Try using a Tesla Tap. It has internal circuitry to tell EVSE to send to J-1772.
There appears to be a lot of speculation of there being a collaborative effort (of some hardware, software and even IP) between Aptera and Tesla, which by the way I personally think is a great thing. Is there any consideration then, if this is the case, that when purchasing an Aptera you could also have the option on your website of purchasing a Tesla destination charger as well? This would bring lots of kudos to both companies.
Can you please share some of this speculation? Is any of it from Aptera or Tesla? Thanks.
From what I can see these discussions appear to be coming from 3rd parties mainly, and not from either company directly. People on YouTube and other forums tend to be jumping at shadows and extrapolating anything from either company of what they say, do, or even posting pictures online that can be interpreted in certain ways.
What I was just trying say that if there are any facts to these rumours behind the scenes then that is a good thing. Aptera and Tesla have every right at this stage to plead commercial in confidence processes are in play at this stage, even if there is nothing to see from either party. I personally don't have any "facts" to say this is true or not, but if they are actually talking to each other then in the end, we as consumers, would all be beneficiaries from this "alliance".
....and having Sandy Munro onboard will let cooler heads prevail!
I believe Sandy is not so much involved with the design of the vehicle but with planning production facilities. I also believe that neither hardware nor software will be sourced from Tesla. Elon stated several times that there are talks of 3rd parties access to the Supercharging Network and in fact a few months ago any car with a CCS2 plug could use Superchargers in Germany for a brief period. That was officially a software bug but could have been a proof of concept thingi too. To me Right to Repair ( which is Aptera policy ) and Tesla (Right to visit your friendly and expensive Service Center only) do not mix.
At the end with its amazing eficiency and range an Aptera will be able to live very comfortable without Supercharger access. However Destination Charger is a different story. As stated, other manufacturers seemed to be able to use them, even the ones in Tesla protocol mode only.
I agree, hopefully Aptera can focus just on their vehicle design and its manufacturability and not be distracted by reinventing the wheel on such peripherals or various components within their design etc.
Living in Australia makes us very much lower on the pecking order for procurement, so not only do we have to wait for the product to arrive on our shores but in the future the Right to Repair could very well be a defining factor as well for such an innovative vehicle for some people.
I agree. Keep it simple and low cost. Elio's fault was they tried to design and manufacturer their own engine.