What options do you want

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions What options do you want

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions What options do you want

  • Hans Roes

    Member
    October 10, 2021 at 1:38 am

    V2G wouldn’t be necessary for me, but V2L would be a nice addition and appears to become more and more standard on EVs.

  • Hans Roes

    Member
    October 10, 2021 at 1:41 am

    I’d go for V2L instead of V2G, but then again, the power grid has never been an issue over here. V2L is also becoming more and more of an industry standard on new EVs

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      October 10, 2021 at 11:29 am

      I’ve had 1 power outage in the last 13 years. Really seems like the US grid is a trainwreck; In europe they interconnect countries but the US doesn’t interconnect states. Having your own solar, batteries etc rather than having that be part of the grid is comically inefficient use of resources (electrician time and materials). Until every flat roof commercial building and many open fields are filled with solar it makes no sense to put 20-30 panels on angled home roofs; its only viable due to broken incentives. The point in one of the investor calls that 10000 cars could save 30% of the power in a million person city using V2G is not a great fix. The grid operators can and should buy their own storage (batteries, cryoair, flywheels etc) for this same reason – far simpler and centrally managed.

      The solar aspect of the Aptera is nearly useless for me since I park in a garage; I actually kept the base solar on my reservation (also so my god can see out).

  • Llewellyn Evans

    Member
    October 10, 2021 at 1:49 am

    Training mode – where only 50% power is available to learner drivers or …. to stop your mechanic hooning in your Aptera.

    • Riley -_-

      Member
      October 10, 2021 at 7:48 am

      My tesla model 3 has that, its called valet mode. this is something that aptera could updat over the air if its not already in the cars software.

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        October 10, 2021 at 11:20 am

        I really hope they have a solid OTA update system but they have never actually said that. Valet or training mode is obviously not quite as simple as a power limit but wouldn’t be difficult.

        Software is relatively hard so I definitely dont think we will have fart mode or external sound config for a long time.

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    October 10, 2021 at 11:16 am

    Obviously the critical thing is getting a solid core vehicle shipping. This thread is a great way to contribute suggestions so they can roadmap and plan features.

    Personally I think the simplest feature to add that I would want is a HDMI (or HDMI over usb c) input that could be used when parked (if used when driving it would be considered unsafe). This would give great flexibility when charging the car, doubles as a phone charge port (if usbc) or camping without spending millions on software dev for infotainment. Essentially this pushes the software work onto the mobile phone, laptop and other secondary devices which have long since solved everything. This would allow any streaming service, game console, tablet etc far in excess of Tesla’s capability at the expense of simple port and a very simple bit of code.

  • Jesse Spears

    Member
    October 11, 2021 at 4:04 pm

    3rd seat option, preferably in the center right behind the current seats.

    V2G would be a nice to have option, if it could be done cheaply (there are options now for ChaDemo, but they are way too expensive).

  • Gary Groth

    Member
    October 12, 2021 at 1:01 pm

    Because the fenders turn with the steering, put long range spotlights in them. Solar panels on the doors would catch a lot on sun when opened.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    October 12, 2021 at 1:16 pm

    I just want to be able to customize my Aptera. I want to be able to change the sounds it makes, and what displays on my screen, and how the regen is set up, etc.

  • Keith Happ

    Member
    October 12, 2021 at 2:07 pm

    When you exit a Tessler the car turns off, the doors lock the side view mirrors fold in, and the alar sets. What I would like to see on the Aptera is the same except the side-view cameras retract into the body of the car.

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      October 12, 2021 at 3:07 pm

      No need to have the cameras retract, because they don’t extend as far as the front wheels. I like your other ideas.

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        October 12, 2021 at 4:06 pm

        I know this would be very complex but a system to address the width when parking by bringing those wheel pods in would be huge. 88 inches is wider than a hummer h1 (except mirrors); I was measuring my garage and parking spaces just to see how tight it would be. If the suspension at low speed could push them forward, back or in then the vehicle could be quite narrow. This would definitely be a tricky piece on engineering If the car could effectively shrink by pulling them in it would work far better in europe and parking lots.

        • Riley -_-

          Member
          October 13, 2021 at 1:11 am

          Its possible to bring the front tires inward by raising the suspension, it would require custom hydrolic shocks and changing the suspensions travel but you could make the Aptera stand up.

          • Curtis Cibinel

            Member
            October 13, 2021 at 7:29 pm

            Good point. With air or hydraulics it could have more travel and double as a “premium handling” option. I’m really interested to see how the Aptera can handle on tracks /emergencies and I would think this could time things up beyond stock.

          • John Malcom

            Member
            October 17, 2021 at 6:01 pm

            There are two reasons for the wheels to be so far out. One is stability which is obvious. The other is aerodynamics. The wheels need to be that far out so the airflow around the wheels is clean and does not perturb the airflow around the body

          • Llewellyn Evans

            Member
            October 19, 2021 at 3:25 pm

            I am with John. Increased “form drag”.

  • RMichael Curran

    Member
    October 12, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    For those who want a port to connect external solar panels I suggest putting panels on your house and charge your Aptera from 120V house power.

    • Titus Meusel

      Member
      October 13, 2021 at 12:32 am

      Works at least for those who have a house; plus would be a nice to have when you are away from home. Thought of an external panel to cover the cargo bed, so you do not have to go for the full solar hatch. Still got to do the maths on that – if this could yield some noteworthy kilometers or if just charges your phone.

      • Ray Holan

        Member
        October 20, 2021 at 7:43 am

        There are many portable solar panels on the market that are lightweight and easily deployed at one’s destination. If the Aptera can accept plugging in an external panel, here’s an example of one that only weighs 8.3 kg. It’s a bit pricey at $599, but there are similar products from other companies that are more moderately priced.

        https://www.jackery.com/products/solarsaga-200w-solar-panel

    • Riley -_-

      Member
      October 13, 2021 at 12:58 am

      My biggest issue with putting panels on my roof is all the red tape and extra cost. If I can just lay out 2 or 3 panels and max out the on board solar charger all day than I can drive for free year round.

  • Matthew Crawford

    Member
    October 13, 2021 at 7:47 am

    When talking about features that I’d love to have, CarPlay/Android Auto support is a must. Wireless CarPlay would be much preferred, especially with all the rumors that Apple is moving towards going port-less on the iPhone.

    There’s rumors that Apple is working on deeper CarPlay integration to allow it to control climate control and other such features. If Aptera contacted Apple and worked with them on that, they might get stage time at one of Apple’s events, which would be huge from a marketing standpoint. I may be dreaming with that, but this is already a dream car, so why not? ^_~

    Another feature I’d love to see is the Digital CarKey feature Apple announced as detailed in this article: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/carkey/

    Specifically the upcoming version 3 of the standard (https://global-carconnectivity.org) that uses ultra wide band and Bluetooth LE.

    Thoughts?

    • John Malcom

      Member
      October 17, 2021 at 6:10 pm

      Aptera has explicitly stated that Apple Car Play will not be integrated. Android Auto is no longer available as Google will no longer support it as a separate application. Not sure if it is because of a licensing issue, cost, or integration with the UI. Only USB connectivity will be provided in the first production Aptera.

  • Keith Happ

    Member
    October 17, 2021 at 6:23 am

    Adaptive Head Lights on the pants. This time of year around here is dark and the streets are not well lit.

    Daytime Running Lights in the front and rear of the car

  • Llewellyn Evans

    Member
    October 17, 2021 at 5:19 pm

    Electromagnetic shock absorbers. Turn all that lovely energy lost in shock absorbers back into battery power. Back in 2015 they were 65% efficient. According to the article they were generating between 100W and 400W on normal roads (more on rough roads). If you drove for 1000Km, it could give you around one days worth of solar …. 60Km…… more on rough roads. Is that worth while?🤔

    https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/shock-absorber-harvests-energy-cars-suspension.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      October 17, 2021 at 5:27 pm

      That’s interesting! First time I have heard of such a thing

      • Llewellyn Evans

        Member
        October 17, 2021 at 5:49 pm

        The shock absorber idea gives you at least 6% more range.

        Another idea is “night sky radiative cooling film” on the solar panels. They will give you 5% more range.

        “When integrated with silicon photovoltaic cells, it increases its efficiency by 5% (absolute efficiency gain of 0.5-1% due to more than 10 K cooling) and increases its lifetime.”

        http://radi-cool.com

        The weight penalty for the film and the shock absorber is small. The cost of the film is small.

        Two tweaks that could give an optimist 11% more daily drive range.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      October 17, 2021 at 5:55 pm

      Both very interesting! I am embarrassed that I am an engineer and didn’t know about them. Can you reference us to some technical papers or better yet, some practical application where performance has been measured and reported?

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      October 17, 2021 at 6:12 pm
    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      October 17, 2021 at 6:25 pm

      Here is a list of links to the regenerative shock absorbers ….. you may need to be a student to open them.

      https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?hl=en&user=xkVywmAAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate

      • John Malcom

        Member
        October 17, 2021 at 6:55 pm

        I am an Adjunct Professor locally so should be able to open. If not I will intimidate a student to do so for me. Thanks very much. Always good to learn something new. 😄

      • Llewellyn Evans

        Member
        October 17, 2021 at 6:58 pm

        Every day is a school day. 🙂

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        October 18, 2021 at 1:34 pm

        Very cool. The tricky thing with technologies like this is the usefulness varies wildly based on a persons climate and driving. For me the shocks would get a decent amount of power since I drive dirt roads to hikes basically weekly but since I’m in canada (BC) and am almost always parked in shade the film do little (I didnt even add extra solar to my reservation). Adding a ton of options makes things expensive for manufacturing but hopefully as Aptera market expands and with open enough design they can get a sense for feature demand in their customers or keep things open enough to allow people to add what they need.

        These shocks or adaptive air suspension (another cool idea) would likely need to be somewhat directly supported by Aptera as they would need to integrate into the control and power systems.

  • Peter Dezendorf

    Member
    October 19, 2021 at 8:37 am

    Sirius XM!

    • Oz Man

      Member
      October 19, 2021 at 8:48 am

      Preach it brother! I’ve had my lifetime subscription since 2006.

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    October 19, 2021 at 8:38 am

    Here’s one that just occurred to me. If they put a 2nd camera on the “mirror” stocks pointed down at the wheels it would be super useful for tight parking. Maybe display on the infotainment screen (splitscreen) to avoid any regulatory complexities with the rear view cameras. Cameras are cheap and 88 inches is quite a bit wider than most of us are used to. I also suspect the wheel covers would get a lot more damage if they hit a curb than a normal car.

    • Riley -_-

      Member
      October 20, 2021 at 12:32 am

      While parallel parking the side camera won’t help you gauge your distance from the curb due to the centered rear wheel. I really like the idea of seeing the front wheel pod from the side camera. You could possibly modify the side mirror stock to be able to spin around and use the same camera to see the wheel pod.

      • John Wiley

        Member
        October 20, 2021 at 6:32 am

        I was the back seat passinger last summer in some model Mercedes with various sensors. When we were parking in very tight places there was a beeping sound that got faster and faster the closer we got to an obstacle. When the car was almost in contact with an obstacle the sound was continuous (no beeping). On the Aptera a small sensor in the boot could signal proximity to a curb or other obstacle. Do you think that might work?

  • Ryan Carter

    Member
    October 19, 2021 at 2:14 pm

    More of an add-on than an option, but:
    A small folding, weighted, billboard/information stand, with information about the vehicle, to put behind vehicle when parked in public.

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      October 19, 2021 at 3:21 pm

      Here is a similar idea someone did. They put a 3d print of the aptera and an information sheet with their referral code on it in the window of their current EV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abaW0jVHXps

      PS: I’m working on my own model with far more detail including interior / moving parts from all the great marketing photos – Hope to have a first version to share on thingiverse by the end of the week.

      • John Wiley

        Member
        October 20, 2021 at 6:39 am

        You techies come up with such brilliant and creative ideas. All I had thought of was putting a flier out under the windshield wiper when I park the car in a lot or on the street with some specs on the car. I was going to have little tear-off tabs with the Aptera URL for more info. Now seems kind of lame.

        • Riley -_-

          Member
          October 20, 2021 at 7:19 am

          Sometimes a simple flier goes a long way, a full page with one word APTERA and a QR code that takes them to the aptera website would work great.

          • John Wiley

            Member
            October 20, 2021 at 11:09 am

            That’s it! Beautiful. Now, if you can just direct me to where I can pick up the Aptera QR or how to create one, I’ll be all set.

            P.S. I’m a little behind on the QR thing (OWG).

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