MemberNovember 23, 2021 at 10:39 am
Note: I know that incentives can potentially get into political debate. I will try to stick to facts but do apologize if anyone feels I’m crossing that line.
I’m starting this thread to discuss the current incentives in Canada 🇨🇦 and how they relate to Aptera. It’s great to see progress being made with the terribly named Build Back Better Act potentially providing a $7500 USD incentive. Information for 2-3 wheel vehicles is less common than traditional EVs so I figured getting everyone clear on the state of things first would help. Hopefully we can put together some templates and contact information for representatives so we can push for change. It makes no sense for a Chevy Bolt to have a $13k CAD incentive when Aptera in most provinces gets $0. Aptera shouldn’t be forced into a major market disadvantage due to flawed legislation. Downsizing to a motorcycle or an Aptera is way more efficient and when the programs exclude them it is bad for Aptera, the free market, and overall energy use.
Our federal IZEV program (incentive for zero emission vehicles) completely ignored 2 and 3 wheeled vehicles.
No, 2-wheeled vehicles, like motorcycles or e-bikes, are not eligible.
The iZEV Program was created to reduce emissions from cars and light trucks, which produce about 50% of transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions in Canada. With this goal in mind, the Program requires vehicles to have at least four functioning wheels and be highway capable, intended for use on public streets, roads, and highways, and meet all Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards in order to receive an incentive.
Provincial (aka state) Programs:
Most provinces have EV incentive programs but they are limited to 4 wheeled vehicles. The CEV (clean energy vehicle) for BC (my province) is also 4 wheels only and most provinces have equivalents. The only provinces with “electric motorcycle” programs are BC (SUVI – Special Use Vehicle Incentive) and Quebec (New Vehicle Rebate / Programme Rabais Vehicule Neuf). These programs are nearly identical and provide $2000. Most existing vehicles under these programs are low speed scooters under $10k.
Most or all programs in canada have two key requirements. The vehicle must be sold and initially registered in canada. Tesla gets around this by selling the vehicle in CAD with related taxes and delivering in Canada. This will be very tricky for Aptera in the early stages since it is a business logistics requirement. Due to costs and extra challenges in other markets (ie shipping, road width, driving sides, charge ports) I would be very surprised if Canada isn’t Aptera’s 2nd largest market initially so I would hope they can address these things within the first few years of shipping units.
Note: For a laugh check out the Tesla site in the canadian locale (https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/model3). One of the provinces has a low price ceiling in the incentive program so tesla needs to offer a sub $50k CAD option which noone will every buy since its limited to less than 100 miles. As long as this low trim exists on menu (not special order) they were eligible. This kind of shenanigans will be tricky for Aptera to do with less legal and business logistics resources.
MemberNovember 23, 2021 at 2:35 pm
Another uphill battle like we are waging here. For us most likely less than 50/50 chance of getting our national incentives passed into law as they are now written and only CA has a robust state program. Some states have something but most, including FL where I live have nothing.
I have always been a little naive, but can’t understand why people and their leaders have such a difficult time doing what is best for the greater good.
I can tell you the GM EV people are elated about the advantage they will have for their Chevrolet Bolt EV products.
MemberNovember 23, 2021 at 3:22 pm
Mericans like their big vehicles and alternative designs wont always resonate initially. The Chinese manufacturers continue to improve batteries and make vehicles which are very similar to traditional vehicle design at prices no legacy manufacturers can match.
I watched a video earlier by the Electric Viking (youtube) and he was amazed by a chinese $50k EV SUV with 1000 km range (NEDC). Assuming the 1000 mile objective of aptera is EPA (quite likely) then it basically has twice the range for the same price while being american made.
MemberNovember 23, 2021 at 4:16 pm
Yes we do! Hope we get the message soon. Interesting. I will look it up and watch it. the Chinese have the energy of the new kid on the block. We had that once.
Vietnamese are entering the market with two SUVs that will be tough competition for Tesla and others at, as you have said, a price point that can not be matched. They are establishing dealerships and planning a factory in CA as well. I think they are trying to out-China China at their own game. No love lost between the Vietnamese and the Chinese.