Solar Power Options

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Solar Power Options

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Solar Power Options

  • Solar Power Options

     Cosme Tome Melendez updated 1 month ago 16 Members · 30 Posts
  • Doug Happ

    Member
    October 22, 2021 at 7:37 pm

    I am confused by the graphics on the website associated with selecting the solar power option.
    Click the picture to see my specific questions.

  • Llewellyn Evans

    Member
    October 22, 2021 at 11:45 pm

    Looks like a web page error. It should show the dash in all images, the same as the roof.

  • Robert Klasson

    Member
    October 23, 2021 at 1:06 am

    Also, no, option number 3 should not have solar on the hood.

  • Doug Happ

    Member
    October 23, 2021 at 11:51 am

    Based on the responses so far, here is an update to the image.

  • Joel Smith

    Member
    October 23, 2021 at 12:27 pm

    I am surprised at the notion of the rear chevrons not being part of the base solar package also. That combined with the error regarding the dash PV suggests a lack of quality control, at least in their digital product. One always wonders how far that goes, when one sees that kind of carelessness.😕

    • John Malcom

      Member
      October 23, 2021 at 3:42 pm

      Joel, Lets think about that a minute.

      The identified defect was on a web page. The web page could or could have not been developed/hosted by an employee of Aptera. My guess is that it is vended out because Aptera is a small company focused on developing a new vehicle and would not have the IT resources to do that in house.

      It would not be credible to stretch and say that because there was an error on a web page that the engineering quality of the vehicle would be suspect as well. That is worse than an apples to oranges comparison. Engineering is certainly not responsible for overseeing the operations of site IT.

      Engineering is an Aptera function and can only be judged good or bad by the testing that takes place at the end of the development cycle. We will see something that reflects the quality of engineering when the results of government safety testing are announced. Until that time there is no indication that engineering at Aptera is anything but the best.

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        October 23, 2021 at 3:55 pm

        A site like Aptera’s would definitely not be developed in house. This is what specialists are for. Regarding the graphic it is almost certainly an error and I reported the exact same thing ~2 weeks ago. It is almost certainly an error.

        As I understand it the dash+roof are standard and the hood, hatch or both are the options. The rear chevrons is unclear.

  • MidnightPilot .

    Member
    October 24, 2021 at 4:36 pm

    I think having 4 different solar options is unnecessary.

    Have solar or don’t have solar. All or none.

    no one is going to say: “ya know, I need to charge just 10 miles a day”

    • Doug Happ

      Member
      October 24, 2021 at 4:58 pm

      Interesting point.

      While I’m neutral on that topic, Forbes presents a cost/benefit analysis view. “A car is not a very green place to mount a solar panel, however. If one has the choice of spending $1,500 on panels for a car, or spending $1,500 in panels on your house or investing the money in a solar farm that will install such panels there, the car is a terrible choice.”

      Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/01/05/aptera-electric-car-is-incredibly-efficient-and-green-but-never-charge-solar-panels-are-not/?sh=59030263f9fb

    • Peter Jorgensen

      Member
      October 26, 2021 at 9:18 am

      I agree – 2 options is plenty. One with no solar or one with all the solar. If someone wants to mix and match parts afterwards and the capability is there that’s cool too. This is very much a “Custom build” sort of thing at this point.

      Maybe once they’ve fulfilled custom orders they’ll start making inventory with full or no solar… We’ll have to see where they’re at at that point.

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        October 26, 2021 at 11:57 am

        I think the key point that your missing is that people may choose to not include the rear hatch solar because they want a window they can see through. Cameras are beneficial but being able to physically see out the back of my vehicle is something I personally want. I travel with my dog and she deserves to be able to see out too.

        • Arlen Bell

          Member
          November 4, 2021 at 8:26 am

          I’ve currently selected the full solar option, but still undecided about the rear hatch. I need to see (in person) what the driver sees and compare to the camera view. Probably ok with the camera view, but am also concerned about how it might feel to have a “dark tunnel” with the solar cells covering. Will the solar cells be mounted on a glass hatch that allows some light to pass between them?

    • Doug Happ

      Member
      October 26, 2021 at 9:32 am

      I will leave it up to the Aptera marketing team to decide how many options are available. Regardless of the number of options, they should each be accurately represented in the graphics on the webpage.

      The decision to have solar panels on the rear hatch comes with the consequence of not being able to see out through a rear window and relying solely upon a camera (or cameras) for driving in reverse, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

      I assume that the presence of solar panels on the rear hatch will also make the interior darker; good? bad? A possible advantage is that cargo in the rear will be less visible from the outside.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    October 24, 2021 at 7:12 pm

    Doug, an interesting article. I missed this, thanks for bringing it to our attention. I think in general, it is favorable to Aptera except for the discussion on “No charge solar”. I am a cost benefit analysis person and do that kind of analysis in my profession. The key of course, to good cost benefit analysis, is to identify all of the benefits that the perspective “Person” wants. In this case, I would error on the side of convenience as the panels mounted on the vehicle go where the vehicle goes, where as mounting them on the home or buying the power from a source that uses panels does not. Also, If the “Person” does not want panels on the vehicle for the full amount of solar, they don’t have to buy them. Good for Aptera to offer a range of choices.

    Another point. If the Aptera owner lives in a geo area where there is not much sun, the same applies to panels mounted on the house. If there isn’t enough sun for Aptera Panels there isn’t enough sun for panels mounted on the house either. I have solar for my house, and the $900-1500 the author states as the full cost of solar on the Aptera will not buy you a lot of solar.

    I did find fault with the article in one area however, the distance gained from full solar in great sun. The article lists 48 miles, Steve Fambro, in one of his tours of an Alpha mentioned 46 miles, and in a separate video Steve was describing how Aptera could get 40 miles. Potentially this discrepancy could have been the result of more precise engineering or testing as the vehicles were progressing through prototyping or it may be lowering the miles might be safe siding, under promising and over delivering to the delight of customers.

    Regardless of the articles statements I am getting the full solar and doing so for both convenience and effectiveness. Of course I live in FL where there is a lot of sun no matter where you park it.

    • Bob Kirchner

      Member
      October 26, 2021 at 8:50 am

      “panels mounted on the vehicle go where the vehicle goes”.

      The advantages of this should not be underestimated for people who don’t own a roof to put solar panels on, or who do not have a convenient alternative to expensive commercial chargers.

  • Leonard Nowak

    Moderator
    October 24, 2021 at 7:16 pm

    It was corrected once but is incorrect again(???) . Aptera’s IT was notified to correct.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      October 24, 2021 at 7:49 pm

      Leonard, The Steve Fambro tour of Sol is gone from the site and I did not see it in a quick look at Facebook.

      Howeever, the misconception is already out there. It is like closing the barn door after the cows are out. The information has been on Facebook and on our site. There is a saying “Once on the internet always on the internet”

      Probably OK from this point forward, but lots of people have incorrect information. Nothing can be done about this mag article unless someone wants to get them to print a retraction. I would strongly recommend against doing that.

      The solution is when testing results are available publish them with a statement that previously reported data were best engineering estimates at the time based on prototype hardware.

      Done that a lot of times when building space systems for the gov. A disclaimer lawyers love.

  • Doug Happ

    Member
    October 26, 2021 at 9:46 am

    I will leave it up to Aptera’s marketing team to decide how many options are available. Regardless of the number of options, they should each be accurately represented in the graphics on the webpage.

    The decision to have solar panels on the rear hatch comes with the consequence of not being able to see out through a rear window and relying solely upon a camera (or cameras) for driving in reverse, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

    I assume that the presence of solar panels on the rear hatch will also make the interior darker; good? bad? A possible advantage is that cargo in the rear will be less visible from the outside.

  • Audra

    Administrator
    October 27, 2021 at 4:14 pm

    Hi Doug,
    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The solar graphic was corrected, but it looks like it is no longer showing up properly. Very strange. We have notified our web team to make corrections. Thanks so much!

    Audra

    • Doug Happ

      Member
      November 1, 2021 at 7:31 pm

      Audra,

      Some corrections were made to the Solar Power Options graphics but some of them are still wrong and/or lead to questions.

    • Doug Happ

      Member
      November 2, 2021 at 12:22 pm

      Audra,

      Well, it appears that you have whipped the web team into shape. I just checked and all options appear to be correct, leaving no questions.

      Good job,

      Doug

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    October 28, 2021 at 9:17 pm

    Lol just got a response from my “contact us” ticket from Oct 1st. Hopefully they fix the site soon as it still appears wrong.

    As an investor I am encouraged and concerned by the delay as it means they are getting interest and are undoubtedly swamped.

  • Cosme Tome Melendez

    Member
    November 2, 2021 at 6:54 pm

    Regarding solar panel options I have a doubt that I would like somebody clarify. It is not said in any discussion, and or video how much miles Aptera could ride with a simple under sun charge after been parked in a parking slot or at home for a lapse of whole day, I mean during solar time 6 to 8 hours average. If we can replenish our battery pack (any) with 4000 watts coming from a 700 W/h solar panel configuration, it means full panel, all panels roof, hood, hatch, correct? Stating this as correct because, by the way is data from Aptera, following same I can figure out with only rood panel as standard that represents a 40% of total capacity refereed “to all panels”, this percentage represents a charge of 1600 watts so, if 4000 watts allows a trip of 4000 [W/h[/100 [W/h-mile[ = 40 miles. Following same philosophy, if I chose the standard option roof panel, it will allow for same charging time under the sun 16 miles. Other combination Roof + Hood, represents 55% of total 700 W/h refereed to all panels, then 2200 W/h or 22 miles, and the last option Roof + Hatch (85% of 700 W/h, means 3400 W in battery or 34 miles.

    Assuming all these figures are right, now I can decide my choice regarding the places and distances I like to travel daily without a 110 V outlet charge port, and what battery package is good for me as well.

    I like the Aptera ‘s option of different solar panel, and battery package capacities configuration choices, not all people have same needing regarding distances for travel in a single or round trip, and playing with these figures, it will help decide your best option due your pocket and your real needing.

    Thanks for read up to the end, I will wait for your thoughts.

    • Ray Holan

      Member
      November 3, 2021 at 5:43 am

      Cosme, thanks for your post. Keeping the total vehicle cost affordable is an Aptera priority. Allowing the extra cost of solar panels to be an option serves that goal. I live in the Midwest USA where we do not get the solar insolation of California, Florida, or New Mexico. Hence, the full solar panel array will give me less than customers in those other areas.

    • Gabe Kemeny

      Member
      November 3, 2021 at 7:18 am

      @Cosme Tome Melendez You are getting down in the weeds a bit too much too early – wait till some folks provide real world numbers to decide what works for you.

  • Cosme Tome Melendez

    Member
    November 3, 2021 at 1:45 pm

    Ray, Doug friends I live in the Sunshine State of Florida and for me the addition of so many panels that it increases the cost of the purchase is not an option, I do not need that.

    I built a matrix or Excel tool with the relative distances to all my points of interest on a round trip and on a one-way trip. The tool allows me considering before the trip to know if With such tool that I built, I have determined the configuration of my Aptera in correspondence with the type of battery pack to order and the configuration of the photovoltaic panel system.

    The tool also allows me to plan the type of trip I want to make according to the distance to travel, and I can foresee if I will need a charge in a public recharging station, and for how long, or for how many hours do I need to park my Aptera under the sun in order to recover the charge that allows me to make the return trip, keeping alive the precious concept of never recharging.

    I had assumed some data picked from forum, videos and speeches from YouTube regarding topics related to charge, time, capacities, etc., offered by the Aptera ‘s engineers.

    Find my Excel spread sheet, maybe useful or not for others, is not refined, just work for me.

    Now I am pretty sure what my configuration will be at time of ordering.

    Thank you for reading!

    • Cosme Tome Melendez

      Member
      November 4, 2021 at 1:36 pm

      Hi @Gabe, thank you very much for your advice, I am so excited by this model that I can’t stop thinking and reflecting on reading and devouring each video and publication.

      I have created the tool for me, I know that the HMI will provide us with all the necessary information, but before arriving at the time of the purchase order I want to have a clear image of what I want to order for my needs, don’t take it the wrong way, I met Aptera just a week ago and it takes my sleep away! this is a wonderful engineering and human ingenuity, thank you and everyone for this beautiful project.

      Thanks for reading.

      • Ray Holan

        Member
        November 4, 2021 at 4:48 pm

        Cosme, nice job on your spreadsheet. I found it very informative. My planned usage is local trips within a 30 mile radius of my home with an occasional 150 mile trip to the Southern part of the state to visit relatives where I can charge overnight. Hence, the base 25kWh pack is just fine for me.

        • Cosme Tome Melendez

          Member
          November 6, 2021 at 7:26 pm

          Doug, you know everyone is different and needing are different as well, the spread sheet intention is the way to plan an approximated trip, distance, options of how to get it and return or not, maybe you will state al location for a while and it will allow Áptera enough “fuel” for return, my focus is never charge, initially a slogan but in real recibe able, remember all written is approximated and many of the in scripted formulations contains the Excel tool ROUNDDOWN so, no big expectancies, and less error supposing you can go further than real battery capacity.

          Also, one time your determine your needing, you will be able to select your battery pack, your solar panel configuration, and if the safer Pilot worse for you or not, simple!

          Thanks for reading!

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