AZ Taxes for EV’s going up Soon !

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions AZ Taxes for EV’s going up Soon !

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions AZ Taxes for EV’s going up Soon !

  • AZ Taxes for EV’s going up Soon !

  • rich garlick

    Member
    September 1, 2021 at 8:51 am

    This is unfortunate but predictable. It will hurt new EV sales. Especially more expensive vehicles. A win for Aptera !

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    September 1, 2021 at 9:04 am

    Is this in a addition to an excise tax? We have an excise tax on all vehicles in Massachusetts, it’s basically a property tax. If that’s an EV only tax then they really don’t want EVs in Arizona, strange since Lucid built their factory there. Those taxes are far in excess of any gas taxes they would be losing. Arizona has an 18 cent/gallon gas tax. A 30MPG car that does the typical 12,000 miles would pay $72 per year in gas tax.

  • Kenneth Bolinsky

    Member
    September 1, 2021 at 9:39 am

    What is the VLT for non-AFVs? Without that comparative information, this chart is less than meaningful…

    In MS we pay an annual Ad Valorem tax on the value of the vehicle (it drops a bit each year with depreciation) as a “registration fee”. We also have to pay for new license plates every five years. In addition, EVs pay a $150/year “road use tax” while all Hybrids and plug-in motorcycles pay $75. These fees are more than twice what the average driver of an ICE pays in fuel tax (18.3 cents/gallon).

  • John Malcom

    Member
    September 1, 2021 at 10:02 am

    Ouch! Sooner or later it will catch up with us in all states to one degree or another. Another lucrative source of revenue. I believe, if we pick up an Aptera in CA we have to register it there and pay fees regardless of the state or country it will end up in. Someone from CA on the forum could check that out for us? It may affect how we would take delivery. I am sure Aptera will have all of that information when it comes time to deliver, but it would be nice to have some advanced notice for planning purposes

    • Dan Stevens

      Member
      September 1, 2021 at 12:50 pm

      John – I don’t think you’ll have to register it in CA, unless it will live in California (i.e., you reside in CA). If you take delivery in California though, you will pay sales tax in California, which your state will then apply to your states sales tax due, i.e., you only pay it once.

      Since most states have a MUCH lower sales tax then California does, to get around this, you have to take delivery outside of the state. Basically, the dealer hires (and you pay for) someone to drive the car just over the state line and you sign some paperwork to show it was delivered out of state. You then deal with your DMV yourself to get it registered (and pay the appropriate sales tax).

      I know, I just went through this buying an RV.

      • John Malcom

        Member
        September 1, 2021 at 1:04 pm

        Thanks so much for this Dan. Useful to me and other out of state (CA) people that might consider coming to the production facility to pickup their Aptera and drive to their home state or Canada/Mexico etc.

  • rich garlick

    Member
    September 1, 2021 at 11:07 am

    These are vehicle registration fees. The point is, the Honeymoon is OVER between the state of AZ and drivers of alt. fuels. For comparison, my 10 yr old, 32k ICE vehicle cost $200/year to register last year. This is not a very friendly position for “green” vehicles. I believe it is an indication of where the state believes the market will go and their desire to guarantee a revenue stream for the State. Apparently they assume ICE vehicles are dead. For a republican-led state they sure act like California….

  • GLENN ZAJIC

    Member
    September 2, 2021 at 12:29 am

    I am chomping at the bit to get mine here in California, but maybe Aptera could make some special deliveries in 2022 to save the Ariz. people money ($1,000) in first five years of ownership. Unfortunately, I think this contrary to logic action will be duplicated all over as the cry for lost gas tax revenue gets louder. Heaven forbid we subsidize the people making the planet a better place. Maybe instead of oil subsidies we could have road subsidies.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      September 2, 2021 at 5:39 am

      EV taxes at this point are deliberate attempts to slow EV adoption. Eventually the taxation scheme will have to change when EVs reach a significant percentage of the overall fleet but that won’t be for a while. Today EVs represent about 1% or less in most states, only California has a large enough number of EVs to effect road tax revenue. Fixed taxes are unfair, the person who does 3000 miles a year pays the same as some one who does 30,000. The gas tax is the fairest of all taxes because it’s a true road use tax, it combines vehicle miles with vehicle weight and it also captures environment costs. Efficient cars, which are smaller and lighter, pay less than inefficient vehicles that are large and heavy.

      In the future there needs to be a new tax that will replace gas taxes but works similarly. The simplest would be increased tolling, EZ Pass has made tolling frictionless , you erect gantries over roads that don’t effect speed the way old fashion toll booths did so there is no effect on traffic flow. Tolls measure road use in the same way that gas consumption does. Another alternative is an annual mileage tax. States already have the information required because they collect it at the annual inspection. A mileage tax could exactly mimic the gas tax because the weight of each vehicle is known, the tax can be based on miles * weight. You could also do a tax based on KWhs used, that’s exactly the same as the gas tax. BTW you don’t need the mileage that’s captured in the inspection because all modern cars are Internet connected, the mileage or the energy consumption could be reported by the manufacturers of the car.

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